artur-ae
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Has anyone already tried out “Daz Studio 2025 – Alpha Version”? It's available for download in the DIM.
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Daz Studio 2025 – Alpha Version
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artur-ae
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Addendum.
When I was still at Art Untamed, I asked this question before. Since I'm no longer there, I don't know if anyone answered it. I don't think so.
Now I've installed it on my system. You can set it up the same way you're used to with DS 4.24. That's a good thing. DS 2025 and DS 4.24 run independently of each other on my computer at the same time. That's also good. This way, you can create the scene in one Daz Studio and create secondary characters in the other DS and preconfigure them for the main scene.
DS 2025 crashes quickly for inexplicable reasons. That's why you should always use DS 4.24 for the main scene.
One thing I noticed is that DForce clothing for Genesis 9 works much better on DS 2025 than on DS 4.24.
Conclusion:
For now, I will only use DS 2025 as a secondary program for DS 4.24. If it starts running reliably at some point, I will switch over.
When I was still at Art Untamed, I asked this question before. Since I'm no longer there, I don't know if anyone answered it. I don't think so.
Now I've installed it on my system. You can set it up the same way you're used to with DS 4.24. That's a good thing. DS 2025 and DS 4.24 run independently of each other on my computer at the same time. That's also good. This way, you can create the scene in one Daz Studio and create secondary characters in the other DS and preconfigure them for the main scene.
DS 2025 crashes quickly for inexplicable reasons. That's why you should always use DS 4.24 for the main scene.
One thing I noticed is that DForce clothing for Genesis 9 works much better on DS 2025 than on DS 4.24.
Conclusion:
For now, I will only use DS 2025 as a secondary program for DS 4.24. If it starts running reliably at some point, I will switch over.
I've never installed Beta versions of DAZ Studio because they are pretty much always unstable and I just don't have the time to do DAZ's beta testing for them... for free 
In any case, I'll wait until the bugs are out and the dust settles. Since I don't even use Genesis 9 as of yet I'm in no hurry.
In any case, I'll wait until the bugs are out and the dust settles. Since I don't even use Genesis 9 as of yet I'm in no hurry.
MCDesigns
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That is funny since i always use beta versions since they are more flexible and you can install; multiple versions at the same time. I am still running the beta of 4.21 as my daily driver (not that I use DS much any more)I've never installed Beta versions of DAZ Studio because they are pretty much always unstable and I just don't have the time to do DAZ's beta testing for them... for free
In any case, I'll wait until the bugs are out and the dust settles. Since I don't even use Genesis 9 as of yet I'm in no hurry.
I'm running three machines from common content directories on a network drive, I don't need "flexibility" I need everything agreeing. To each their own.
artur-ae
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I don't really care. I hesitated for almost two months before deciding to install DS 2025. The reason was that I didn't know whether DS 4.24 and DS 2025 would work in parallel. No one in the forums could tell me anything about it either.
Since the program is free, I installed it and tested it myself. Now I know that it's better for Genesis 9 than DS 4.24, especially for dForce applications. If you know that the beta version crashes more often, you just save more often. I should mention that I mainly work with Genesis 9.
If I had always been hesitant, I would have switched from version 3 to version 4 very late. As a result, I would still be working with complicated rendering processes instead of Iray.
So I prefer to try out beta versions before I miss out on something. You can always delete them if they annoy you too much.
By the way, I have all DS backup files from DS 4.10 to DS 4.24. DS 2025 doesn't take up much space on my hard drive.
So far, I've always worked with the 4.11 and 4.24 versions in parallel. Higher versions cannot be run side by side.
Now no longer necessary since DS 2025.
Since the program is free, I installed it and tested it myself. Now I know that it's better for Genesis 9 than DS 4.24, especially for dForce applications. If you know that the beta version crashes more often, you just save more often. I should mention that I mainly work with Genesis 9.
If I had always been hesitant, I would have switched from version 3 to version 4 very late. As a result, I would still be working with complicated rendering processes instead of Iray.
So I prefer to try out beta versions before I miss out on something. You can always delete them if they annoy you too much.
By the way, I have all DS backup files from DS 4.10 to DS 4.24. DS 2025 doesn't take up much space on my hard drive.
So far, I've always worked with the 4.11 and 4.24 versions in parallel. Higher versions cannot be run side by side.
Now no longer necessary since DS 2025.
DS 2025 is a huge rewrite not a minor upgrade, they also had a version that completely failed alpha before this one, it's why it is version 6.0 not 5.0
They are changing a lot of code to move forward, and they needed to. It may break scripts, it will break plugins, and it probably is going to handle the newer stuff better than 4.24. It will definitely handle the 5x series NVDIA cards better.
I'm not saying nobody should test it by using it, obviously they need to. And I was being a little flippant, since the program is free, there isn't any reason they shouldn't be beta testing this way, it's a way to contribute to the development of it.
I just don't have any reason to do it myself. Half of the content I use is ancient Poser, most of the toon stuff like the dwarves are. And I don't do photo real, nor do I care to.
For me it comes down to I almost always have three projects in production at the same time. Testing new software takes time I simply don't have.
They are changing a lot of code to move forward, and they needed to. It may break scripts, it will break plugins, and it probably is going to handle the newer stuff better than 4.24. It will definitely handle the 5x series NVDIA cards better.
I'm not saying nobody should test it by using it, obviously they need to. And I was being a little flippant, since the program is free, there isn't any reason they shouldn't be beta testing this way, it's a way to contribute to the development of it.
I just don't have any reason to do it myself. Half of the content I use is ancient Poser, most of the toon stuff like the dwarves are. And I don't do photo real, nor do I care to.
For me it comes down to I almost always have three projects in production at the same time. Testing new software takes time I simply don't have.
artur-ae
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I don't see that as a disadvantage. Discussions are always conducted in one way or another. If you are convinced of something, you share it. That's how discussions come about. That's fine.
Explos4
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The rendering times are noticeably faster. Really noticeable. So it may well be worth creating the scene in 4.24 and rendering it in 2025.
artur-ae
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I can't confirm that. I rendered this image with Iray in DS 4.24 in 2 minutes and 19 seconds to 100 percent. I rendered the same image with Iray in DS 2025 and canceled at 78 percent after 12 minutes. However, DS did indicate a problem. See image “Comment DS 2025”.
There was talk of a scene traversal due to a beard with high hair density.
If I had removed the beard, which was not visible anyway, the rendering time would probably have been a little shorter.
Explos4
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Okay, I have a different approach. I set the render quality so high that it never even comes close to rendering 100%, often not even 1%. I stop it manually when I've reached a certain number of iterations or when I think it looks good. An identical scene has more iterations in DAZ2025 in the same amount of time than in 4.24. At least in my tests.
artur-ae
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Thanks for your contribution.
That wouldn't have worked in my case. With DS 2025, I still didn't have a usable result after 3 minutes. DS 4.24 was already 100 percent finished by then.
That aside, I render similarly to you. With a high-quality default setting. If the result is acceptable to me, I stop the rendering process and continue editing the image. Usually with AI enhancement.
By the way, I render with my CPU i9-7900X and two graphics cards: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti and RTX 2080 Ti at the same time.
Unfortunately, the system is already a little outdated. At the moment, the prices for AI-adapted graphics cards are still too expensive.
Wow, seems I've missed whole lot over the last few weeks. Because I've focusing on my writing, I haven't done a render weeks ...
I'm in the same boat, though I'm focused other interests.
I re-committed myself to 3D last month, but haven't rendered anything since. Every time I've loaded Daz to start a new project, I've encountered issues that reminded me why I embraced AI. The same goes for issues I've had with AI driving me back to Daz. I feel like I'm in a constant tug-of-war between the two mediums, neither of which are fully capable of allowing me to express myself to the extent or level of quality that I want.